| Archad | Ich habe einen Freund namens Josh, ein Ami. Er ist Christ. Ich diskutiere hin und wieder mit ihm darüber was ich falsch an seiner Religion finde, und was mich davon abhält ein Christ zu werden. Nummer eins Grund: Homosexualität ist böse, und alle homosexuelen werden zur Hölle fahren Ich frage mich: warum? Verletzen Homosexuele menschen absichtlich? Körperlich, oder psychisch? Sind sie böse? Nein, sicher nicht. Ich akzeptiere nur 'sünden' wenn sie Menschen absichtlich verletzen. Stehlen verletzt einen Menschen, Beleidigen (fluchen) kann einen Menschen verletzen, aber sicher nicht die Homosexualität. Für diejenigen unter euch die English beherschen habe ich am schluss dieses Teils das Chatlog. Für die nicht Englisch sprachigen: Sein Hauptargument warum Homoesexualität Menschen verletzt ist HIV. Der grösste teil von HIV trägern sit Männlich und Homosexuel. Dann hat er noch das Argument aufgebracht das ein HIV träger mit einem Menschen schläft ohne ihm zu sagen das er/sie HIV hat jemanden absichtlich verletzt. Er scheint zu denken dass das nur im Homo bereich vorkommt -.- Meiner ansicht nach hat der Chat damit geendet das er kein einziges annehmbares Argument vorgebracht hat das Homosexualität böse ist, hier das Englische Chatlog: [17:06] Mach: The basis of our constituion, our 'inalienable' rights... is to do anything and everything you want to do... as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else in any way, shape, or form. [17:07] Archad Tiger: yet I refuse to become a christian, I just can't be part of a religion that discriminates sexual orientations [17:08] Mach: Ahem... the choice will always remain yours to decide a denomination. I will talk to you about it, but I would ask you be careful what words you use. Alright? ^^; [17:09] Archad Tiger: I'm sorry, but I think my choosing of words is perfectly alright [17:09] Archad Tiger: I'm talking about those people like the ones at the jackson process, have you seen those? [17:09] Archad Tiger: there was this jackass with a sign reading something like "homosexuality is evil" or something [17:09] Archad Tiger: and he yelled "you will all go to hell" [17:10] Archad Tiger: if that isn't discimination of homosexuals, I might be misinformed about the meaning of discrimination [17:10] Archad Tiger: if that's so, I'm sorry [17:11] Archad Tiger: Ugh,I just drooled on my keyboard o.o [17:11] Archad Tiger: damn bbq sauce combined with singing [17:12] Mach: That's not discrimination... that's voicing an opinion. And yes, according to the Bible, homosexuality IS wrong and you WILL go to hell for it. Discrimination would be if a homosexual were trying to get a job and couldn't BECAUSE he was gay. Or had a job and was fired BECAUSE he was gay. [17:12] Archad Tiger: hmm...Alright... [17:12] Archad Tiger: but all I'm asking for to shout my mouth is an actual reason why homos are evil [17:12] Archad Tiger: and 'god says' isn't a reason [17:13] Mach: Homosexuals are not evil... but it is wrong. [17:13] Archad Tiger: homosexuals are born with the sexual orientation, it's in their genes. They aren't responsible for it, it's not their fault, yet they are wrong and will go to hell? [17:14] Mach: WHOA. [17:14] Mach: Halt. [17:14] Mach: We'll really have to stop this conversation at that point. [17:14] Mach: Cause that thing you just said... about it being a gene... that's... way across my comfort zone... like... punching me in the face uncomfortable. [17:14] Archad Tiger: ...uh... [17:15] Archad Tiger: but...as far as I know, it's the truth...homosexuality is being caused by too many feminine hormones from their mothers, or too many male hormones by their father... [17:15] Archad Tiger: Alright, I'll leave the genes out of it [17:15] Mach: Thank you. [17:16] Archad Tiger: all I want to say is, they can't do a thing about it, that's why it shouldn't be wrong.... [17:16] Archad Tiger: A thieve can stop stealing, it's wrong. A murder can keep from killing someone, it's wrong. Cursing can be stopped, insulting can be stopped [17:16] Archad Tiger: you understand, that's what bothers me [17:17] Archad Tiger: Taken very simplified, homoesexuals get punished for something they "didn't do" or can't stio [17:17] Archad Tiger: stop [17:17] Mach: Just because I understand your point of view, does sway me towards it. I am still VERY adamant about it being a choice. [17:17] Archad Tiger: nono, I don't want you to take in my p.o.v [17:18] Archad Tiger: I just want an actual, reasonable explanation why it is so wrong to be a homosexual [17:18] Archad Tiger: no one gets hurt [17:18] Mach: That's not entirely true... [17:19] Mach: If you'll give me some time to search, I could find a statistical website that will tell you homosexuality presents a tremendous risk of spreading the AIDS/HIV epidemic. [17:19] Mach: Yes, there are other ways to spread it, I know that... but I'm simply pointing out that it DOES hurt people. [17:19] Mach: In fact, if caught... it kills people. [17:19] Mach: Which is kinda worse than hurt. [17:20] Archad Tiger: that is plain silly [17:20] Archad Tiger: homosexuality was neither the source of HIV, nor is it the thing that gives people HIV [17:20] Mach: I didn't SAY it was the source. [17:20] Mach: But it IS a contributor. [17:20] Archad Tiger: so is heterosexuality [17:21] Archad Tiger: so we come to the conclusion that heterosexuality is bad too? [17:21] Archad Tiger: Just because a sexual virus can be trensfered through it? [17:23] Mach: AIDS can be spread through heterosexuality if the people involved do not know of the HIV status of the other person. But anal sex is a good way to catch the disease. Through blood contact... which is incredibly likely due to the flesh around the anus being incredibly thin and easily ripped. [17:24] Archad Tiger: anal sex has got nothing to do with homosexuality [17:24] Mach: How about semen? [17:25] Mach: Homosexuals are limited to oral and anal sex as intimate contact... they are far more likely to contract the virus than a heterosexual. [17:26] Archad Tiger: Josh, stop finding silly excuses [17:26] Archad Tiger: Homosexuality, form love to sexual contact, isn't bad [17:26] Archad Tiger: it doesn't hurt people on purpose, HIV is a virus that is spread anywhere [17:26] Mach: Not only that, but AIDS is extremely prevelent in males worldwide. [17:27] Archad Tiger: I think you're forgeting that homosexuality includes lesbians [17:27] Mach: And when two males get together in sexual contact, the chance to contract the virus is magnified to near-unavoidable proportions. [17:27] Archad Tiger: so the thing with the bad anal sex HIV virus thing gets lost anyways [17:27] Archad Tiger: homosexuality mans same sex, it goes for men and women [17:27] Archad Tiger: that gay men have an increased risk of the HIV virus is NOT an argument [17:27] Mach: I'm addressing the male variation at the moment. [17:28] Mach: Of course not. [17:28] Mach: I mean, why would it be? [17:28] Archad Tiger: because you're using it all the time to explain that homosexuality hurts people [17:28] Mach: Facts are facts... but the only facts that matter are the ones approved by a defender of the homosexual right. [17:28] Archad Tiger: I think we both come to the conclusion that homosexuality itself isn't a source of harm for anybody [17:29] Mach: No. YOU come to that conclusion. [17:29] Mach: I know it hurts people. [17:29] Archad Tiger: HIV wasn't produced by homosexuality [17:29] Mach: Not saying it was... but it is more likely to spread that way. [17:29] Archad Tiger: the scientist who was dumb enough to produce and release it was homosexual and male, that's why the first HIV infects where males [17:29] Archad Tiger: now, what if it had been a hetero sexual? [17:30] Archad Tiger: you'd be left without the hurt argument [17:30] Archad Tiger: ah no, then hetero would be bad because it hurts people [17:30] Archad Tiger: because the majority of HIV is hetero [17:31] Mach: The fact is absolute and unavoidable. The HIV virus IS spread predominantly through homosexual males. [17:31] Archad Tiger: wait wait [17:31] Mach: Take some time to search through [url]www.aids.com[/url] [17:32] Archad Tiger: back to the discussion if you don't mind [17:32] Archad Tiger: I know that the most HIV virus carriers are homosexual males [17:33] Archad Tiger: but not on purpose, that's what I'm saying [17:35] Archad Tiger: A knife isn't bad because you cut yourself at it because you're clumsy, it's a tool, right? [17:36] Mach: If you know you are more likely to spread the HIV virus than others... and you continue to do so. Someone innocent is likely to catch it and will inevitably die a gruesome death. So no... I think people armed with this knowledge that persist in those ways are indeed, hurting people intentionally. [17:37] Archad Tiger: yes, but not because the're homosexual, because they're too stupid to tell others [17:38] Archad Tiger: we come to the conclusion that homosexuals aren't bad [17:39] Archad Tiger: there are people who keep their HIV a secret, and happen to be homosexual [17:39] Mach: You do. Please don't state my conclusion unless I've TOLD you it. [17:39] Archad Tiger: but there also are HIV people that don't tell others in hetero sexuality [17:39] Archad Tiger: so again that argument cannot be used against homos [17:40] Mach: *Groans* Well as much fun as this endless and pointless discussion has been... I'm afraid I need to run to English Comp class. [17:40] Archad Tiger: bye [17:40] *** "Mach" signed off at Mon Jul 18 17:40:30 2005. |
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| Darket | Da ein Thread mit stark ähnlicher Thematik in D&L bereits existiert und auch noch aktiv ist, verweise ich mal dorthin und schließe hier. Gruß Darket |
